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looking for kart identification

Post by Dan Hughes » Wed Mar 10, 2021 2:41 pm

just picked up this kart looking for brand year cant figure how to attack images to this forum tried dragging and dropping and adding files no luck thanks Dan
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Re: looking for kart identification

Post by ted johnson » Wed Mar 10, 2021 4:47 pm

It's an Ingels/Borelli Caretta, somewhere around '61 to '62. Art ingels invented the very first kart in '56. This one is worth some pretty good money, though I'm not a good estimator. Highly desirable. My advice, for what it's worth, clean it up and do not restore it beyond what is required to get it ready to run. Caretta switched to Go Power wheels on their later karts, so this one is a bit earlier. Ted

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Re: looking for kart identification

Post by Dan Hughes » Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:12 pm

thank you for helping me identify it what engine was used on it originally? it had a custom alky engine on it right before i got it seperate coil and vacuume fuel pump, it looks like someone mads the billet aluminum mount thanks Again Dan

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Re: looking for kart identification

Post by ted johnson » Wed Mar 10, 2021 6:34 pm

Most Carettas had McCulloch engines, though some had West Bend engines. Hopefully someone with more knowledge of early Carettas will let you know the exact year. The year of the kart determines what Mac engine it might have had. I lived in east Central Florida, so Carettas were not to be found near me. It's a nice kart, for sure. Ted

1961, McCulloch Mc6, Mc10 or Mc20, West Bend 580, 700.
1962, McCulloch Mc7, Mc30 or Mc70. West Bend 610 and 820 began to show up at this time.
After '62, Mac introduced the Mc40 and Mc8. They also built the Mc75's along in this time era.
These years are not absolute, Mac overlapped models into other years. There are charts showing what engine came out in which year. Digging out the years manufactured on the 125cc engines is a bit more murky. Ted

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Re: looking for kart identification

Post by ted johnson » Wed Mar 10, 2021 6:42 pm

Dan, Rob Voska and Bob Kurkowski do a magnificent job with this forum. They run "The Big One" vintage event at Fremont Ohio on the Labor Day weekend. The folks on here are friendly and helpful. You also want to become a member on the other good forum:
https://www.vintagekartforum.com/
Lots of good info there as well. Hope to meet you one day, though my long distance event travels are over. Ted

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Re: looking for kart identification

Post by Dan Hughes » Wed Mar 10, 2021 7:02 pm

i kinda hope its a 62, because i have a mac 70 sitting on display collecting dust in my 50/60's automotive show room,i was building my bug wasp with 2 mac 10's to hang in the shop for looks, and one employee moved and gave me a great deal on the kart ,his dad raced it in the 60's,thanks so much for all the info great help Dan

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Re: looking for kart identification

Post by REAR » Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:31 am

Dan,

Welcome aboard.

Teddy pretty much summed up what you have and a Mc 70 would be a great motor for your kart, they are 63 vintage.

Keep us update on your progess.

R.E.A.R.

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Re: looking for kart identification

Post by Rob Voska » Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:44 pm

Trying to identify the mount and what would have fit. Mount is not stock. The fuel pump tells me it might have had a float bowl carburetor on it. The dual chain maybe some big HP. It was called duplex chain and is like a timing chain on a small block chevy. The direct drive kart wheeled life is to help move it around. Great find!

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Re: looking for kart identification

Post by Dan Hughes » Mon Mar 15, 2021 11:08 am

does anyone have a picture of engine mount or rear of kart early 60's Ingels/Borelli Caretta ? thanks Dan

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Re: looking for kart identification

Post by ted johnson » Mon Mar 15, 2021 2:30 pm

Small pic on April 61 Karting World cover, engine is on the other side of the kart, but you may get some ideas. Remember, the Caretta had an enclosed live axle, so, if you want to run a Mac, it either has to be mounted on the right side of the kart, or you'd have to drive off the flywheel. Never a good idea. You may need to do some engineering in order to move the motor to the other side of the kart. The axles on Carettas are also not a standard 1" axle, so some redesign may be needed. Do some looking and measuring. I actually remember doing a CAD rear axle for someone's Caretta over 10 years ago. I might even still have the Pro/E file on the other computer. Art Ingels did a lot of custom building for different guys back then. The sale prices reflected that! TJ
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